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Laws

Plato

rest?' To this I shall reply that some things are in motion and others at rest. 'And do not things which move move in a place, and are not the things which are at rest at rest in a place?' Certainly. 'And some move or rest in one place and some in more places than one?' You mean to say, we shall rejoin, that those things which rest at the centre move in one place, just as the circumference goes round of globes which are said to be at rest? 'Yes.' And we observe that, in the revolution, the motion which carries round the larger and the lesser circle at the same time is proportionally distributed to greater and smaller, and is greater and smaller in a certain proportion. Here is a wonder which might be thought an impossibility, that the same motion should impart swiftness and slowness in due proportion to larger and lesser circles. 'Very true.' And when you speak of bodies moving in many places, you seem to me to mean those which move from one place to another, and sometimes have one centre of motion and sometimes more than one because they turn upon their axis; and whenever they meet anything, if it be stationary, they are divided by it; but if they get in the midst between bodies which are approaching and moving towards the same spot from opposite directions, they unite with them. 'I admit the truth of what you are saying.' Also when they unite they grow, and when they are divided they waste away--that is, supposing the constitution of each to remain, or if that fails, then there is a second reason of their dissolution. 'And when are all things created and how?' Clearly, they are created when the first principle receives increase and attains to the second dimension, and from this arrives at the one which is neighbour to this, and after reaching the third becomes perceptible to sense. Everything which is thus changing and moving is in process of generation; only when at rest has it real existence, but when passing into another state it is destroyed utterly. Have we not mentioned all motions that there are, and comprehended them under their kinds and numbered them with the exception, my friends, of two? CLEINIAS: Which are they? ATHENIAN: Just the two, with which our present enquiry is concerned. CLEINIAS: Speak plainer. ATHENIAN: I suppose that our enquiry has reference to the soul? CLEINIAS: Very true. ATHENIAN: Let us assume that there is a motion able to move other things, but not to move itself; that is one kind; and there is another kind which can move itself as well as other things, working in composition and decomposition, by increase and diminution and generation and destruction--that is also one of the many kinds of motion. CLEINIAS: Granted. ATHENIAN: And we will assume that which moves other, and is changed by other, to be the ninth, and that which changes itself and others, and is coincident with every action and every passion, and is the true principle of change and motion in all that is--that we shall be inclined to call the tenth. CLEINIAS: Certainly. ATHENIAN: And which of these ten motions ought we to prefer as being the mightiest and most efficient? CLEINIAS: I must say that the motion which is able to move itself is ten thousand times superior to all the others. ATHENIAN: Very good; but may I make one or two corrections in what I have been saying? CLEINIAS: What are they? ATHENIAN: When I spoke of the tenth sort of motion, that was not quite correct. CLEINIAS: What was the error? ATHENIAN: According to the true order, the tenth was really the first in generation and power; then follows the second, which was strangely enough termed the ninth by us. CLEINIAS: What do you mean? ATHENIAN: I mean this: when one thing changes another, and that another, of such will there be any primary changing element? How can a thing which is moved by another ever be the beginning of change? Impossible. But when the self-moved changes other, and that again other, and thus thousands upon tens of thousands of bodies are set in motion, must not the beginning of all this motion be the change of the self-moving principle? CLEINIAS: Very true, and I quite agree. ATHENIAN: Or, to put the question in another way, making answer to ourselves: If, as most of these philosophers have the audacity to affirm, all things were at rest in one mass, which of the above-mentioned principles of motion would first spring up among them? CLEINIAS: Clearly the self-moving; for there could be no change in them arising out of any external cause; the change must first take place in themselves. ATHENIAN: Then we must say that self-motion being the origin of all motions, and the first which arises among things at rest as well as among things in motion, is the eldest and mightiest principle of change, and that which is changed by another and yet moves other is second. CLEINIAS: Quite true. ATHENIAN: At this stage of the argument let us put a question. CLEINIAS: What question? ATHENIAN: If we were to see this power existing in any earthy, watery, or fiery substance, simple or compound--how should we describe it? CLEINIAS: You mean to ask whether we should call such a self-moving power life? ATHENIAN: I do. CLEINIAS: Certainly we should. ATHENIAN: And when we see soul in anything, must we not do the same--must we not admit that this is life? CLEINIAS: We must. ATHENIAN: And now, I beseech you, reflect--you would admit that we have a threefold knowledge of things? CLEINIAS: What do you mean? ATHENIAN: I mean that we know the essence, and that we know the definition of the essence, and the name--these are the three; and there are two questions which may be raised about anything. CLEINIAS: How two? ATHENIAN: Sometimes a person may give the name and ask the definition; or he may give the definition and ask the name. I may illustrate what I mean in this way. CLEINIAS: How? ATHENIAN: Number like some other things is capable of being divided into equal parts; when thus divided, number is named 'even,' and the definition of the name 'even' is 'number divisible into two equal parts'? CLEINIAS: True. ATHENIAN: I mean, that when we are asked about the definition and give the name, or when we are asked about the name and give the definition--in either case, whether we give name or definition, we speak of the same thing, calling 'even' the number which is divided into two equal parts. CLEINIAS: Quite true. ATHENIAN: And what is the definition of that which is named 'soul'? Can we conceive of any other than that which has been already given--the motion which can move itself? CLEINIAS: You mean to say that the essence which is defined as the self-moved is the same with that which has the name soul? ATHENIAN: Yes; and if this is true, do we still maintain that there is anything wanting in the proof that the soul is the first origin and moving power of all that is, or has become, or will be, and their contraries, when she has been clearly shown to be the source of change and motion in all things? CLEINIAS: Certainly not; the soul as being the source of motion, has been most satisfactorily shown to be the oldest of all things. ATHENIAN: And is not that motion which is produced in another, by reason of another, but never has any self-moving power at all, being in truth the change of an inanimate body, to be reckoned second, or by any lower number which you may prefer? CLEINIAS: Exactly. ATHENIAN: Then we are right, and speak the most perfect and absolute truth, when we say that the soul is prior to the body, and that the body is second and comes afterwards, and is born to obey the soul, which is the ruler? CLEINIAS: Nothing can be more true. ATHENIAN: Do you remember our old admission, that if the soul was prior to the body the things of the soul were also prior to those of the body? CLEINIAS: Certainly. ATHENIAN: Then characters and manners, and wishes and reasonings, and true opinions, and reflections, and recollections are prior to length and breadth and depth and strength of bodies, if the soul is prior to the body. CLEINIAS: To be sure. ATHENIAN: In the next place, we must not of necessity admit that the soul is the cause of good and evil, base and honourable, just and unjust, and of all other opposites, if we suppose her to be the cause of all things? CLEINIAS: We must. ATHENIAN: And as the soul orders and inhabits all things that move, however moving, must we not say that she orders also the heavens? CLEINIAS: Of course. ATHENIAN: One soul or more? More than one--I will answer for you; at any rate, we must not suppose that there are less than two--one the author of good, and the other of evil. CLEINIAS: Very true. ATHENIAN: Yes, very true; the soul then directs all things in heaven, and earth, and sea by her movements, and these are described by the terms--will, consideration, attention, deliberation, opinion true and false, joy and sorrow, confidence, fear, hatred, love, and other primary motions akin to these; which again receive the secondary motions of corporeal substances, and guide all things to growth and decay, to composition and decomposition, and to the qualities which accompany them, such as heat and cold, heaviness and lightness, hardness and softness, blackness and whiteness, bitterness and sweetness, and all those other qualities which the soul uses, herself a goddess, when truly receiving the divine mind she disciplines all things rightly to their happiness; but when she is the companion of folly, she does the very contrary of all this. Shall we assume so much, or do we still entertain doubts? CLEINIAS: There is no room at all for doubt. ATHENIAN: Shall we say then that it is the soul which controls heaven and earth, and the whole world? that it is a principle of wisdom and virtue, or a principle which has neither wisdom nor virtue? Suppose that we make answer as follows: CLEINIAS: How would you answer? ATHENIAN: If, my friend, we say that the whole path and movement of heaven, and of all that is therein, is by nature akin to the movement and revolution and calculation of mind, and proceeds by kindred laws, then, as is plain, we must say that the best soul takes care of the world and guides it along the good path. CLEINIAS: True. ATHENIAN: But if the world moves wildly and irregularly, then the evil soul guides it. CLEINIAS: True again. ATHENIAN: Of what nature is the movement of mind? To this question it is not easy to give an intelligent answer; and therefore I ought to assist you in framing one. CLEINIAS: Very good. ATHENIAN: Then let us not answer as if we would look straight at the sun, making ourselves darkness at midday--I mean as if we were under the impression that we could see with mortal eyes, or know adequately the nature of mind--it will be safer to look at the image only. CLEINIAS: What do you mean? ATHENIAN: Let us select of the ten motions the one which mind chiefly resembles; this I will bring to your recollection, and will then make the answer on behalf of us all. CLEINIAS: That will be excellent. ATHENIAN: You will surely remember our saying that all things were either at rest or in motion? CLEINIAS: I do. ATHENIAN: And that of things in motion some were moving in one place, and others in more than one? CLEINIAS: Yes. ATHENIAN: Of these two kinds of motion, that which moves in one place must move about a centre like globes made in a lathe, and is most entirely akin and similar to the circular movement of mind. CLEINIAS: What do you mean? ATHENIAN: In saying that both mind and the motion which is in one place move in the same and like manner, in and about the same, and in relation